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MACOMB, IL -- The Office of Public Safety (OPS) at Western Illinois University and Macomb Police are investigating a threat regarding a shooting on campus that was received at an off-campus apartment complex sometime overnight.


According to the Office of Public Safety Director Bob Fitzgerald, an employee of an apartment complex near campus reported receiving a handwritten note in the complex's payment drop-box that indicated there would be a shooting on the WIU campus today....

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Zach

posted 3/26/08 @ 10:07 AM CST

This is absolutely sickening.
Kudos to the emergency alert system.

Kristen

posted 3/26/08 @ 10:23 AM CST

Some moron just wants attention.

Catherine

posted 3/26/08 @ 10:36 AM CST

I am rather confused as to why the campus hasn't been closed. I understand that they've locked residence halls; if a shooting occured in an academic building, though, that would actually present more of a problem because it eliminates an escape for some people. With Virginia Tech and NIU still so fresh in our minds, I am hesitant to heartily applaud WIU's actions. I appreciate the fast notice - I will definitely say that. I do not appreciate, though, the fact that I had to make a choice between staying on campus and attending class or going home to where I felt safe. I understand that students are not being penalized for missing class, but if a teacher chooses to lecture today, students will miss notes, reviews, etc. The students are still, in a way, being penalized. Does anyone know why they would not just close the university and allow students to leave and faculty/staff to go home? It seems to me that no one should be on campus until they find out more about this threat, whether it was empty or not. If there is a legitimate reason, or if they had proof that this would not happen, I would love to know about it. Bottom line: someone was sick enough to make this threat. How much sicker does someone have to be to actually go through with it? I hope we never find out the answer.

Andrew

posted 3/26/08 @ 10:43 AM CST

What the hell is wrong with people?! If this is a joke, what purpose does it serve and if for some reason it was a real threat, WTF. I just can not comprehend this sort of thing.

Jaime

posted 3/26/08 @ 10:44 AM CST

Zach says this is sickening and kudos to the emergency alert system and I for one agree with him on both points.

Hats off to the Emergency Alert System WIU completed work on earlier this year. It is more than worth whatever they spent on having it installed and the man hours to set it up.

Vick

posted 3/26/08 @ 11:01 AM CST

This is disturbing news. I would be curious as to when the police were notified of this threat. My daughter checked her email before going to class at 10:00 and no emergency notifications were listed, or texted. If the threat was received overnight and there was time to compose and post a written statement online at 9:30, why was my daughter not notified along with other students before going to class at 10:00? I thought this new system was more timely than this. Also, after going to a classroom with doors that do not lock from the inside, she was sent back to her dorm. Walking Target!!!

Steve

posted 3/26/08 @ 11:22 AM CST

Props to WIU for alerting and taking measures with IL State PD and McDonough County Sheriff as well as OPS and Macomb PD. On that campus, their presence will be felt.

In regards to Catherine, while I understand this is a highly sensitive time for stuff like this with the recent happenings 200 miles northeast of WIU, but threats traditionally do not close campuses. Bomb threats all the same close the suspected area down, but try not to disturb the entire business day. While you might be saying "thats stupid, its a threat," college campuses would hardly be open if they always reacted with an entire campus closing every time. "Safe than sorry," I understand, but degrees can't be conferred when the university is always closed.

Christopher

posted 3/26/08 @ 12:22 PM CST

Originally posted by

Steve

Props to WIU for alerting and taking measures with IL State PD and McDonough County Sheriff as well as OPS and Macomb PD. On that campus, their presence will be felt.

In regards to Catherine, while I understand this is a highly sensitive time for stuff like this with the recent happenings 200 miles northeast of WIU, but threats traditionally do not close campuses. Bomb threats all the same close the suspected area down, but try not to disturb the entire business day. While you might be saying "thats stupid, its a threat," college campuses would hardly be open if they always reacted with an entire campus closing every time. "Safe than sorry," I understand, but degrees can't be conferred when the university is always closed.


With due respect, and bearing in mind that this is a sensitive issue, perhaps the state educational system needs to have a serious look at the manner at which it handles threats. While I understand your point, we also can't wait until people are dead to determine that closing campus would have been a good idea, in retrospect. Speaking as an instructor myself (though not at WIU), a full campus closure wouldn't disrupt things to a very serious extent - certainly not considering the alternative. Threats begin somewhere, with someone, and the fact that they aren't carried out every time doesn't, in my mind, diminish their seriousness. Not closing campus also presents the problem of forcing students to choose whether or not to miss valuable class time or miss class because they are fearful for their safety. This isn't much of a choice. If classes aren't canceled, then those who choose not to go are missing on on material, perhaps to the detriment of a grade even though they were give a day's free pass. The current method of "investigating" such threats, whatever that entails, needs to be overhauled, and soon, and I think that the foundation of a truly effective method of investigation would begin with making sure that the university is not liable for student deaths because of poor judgment like that shown today by not canceling classes the moment they received the evidence.

Steve

posted 3/26/08 @ 12:50 PM CST

Originally posted by

Steve

Props to WIU for alerting and taking measures with IL State PD and McDonough County Sheriff as well as OPS and Macomb PD. On that campus, their presence will be felt.

In regards to Catherine, while I understand this is a highly sensitive time for stuff like this with the recent happenings 200 miles northeast of WIU, but threats traditionally do not close campuses. Bomb threats all the same close the suspected area down, but try not to disturb the entire business day. While you might be saying "thats stupid, its a threat," college campuses would hardly be open if they always reacted with an entire campus closing every time. "Safe than sorry," I understand, but degrees can't be conferred when the university is always closed.


Well understood. I am a practitioner also at another institution far away from WIU at this point, just an alumni. While I would love to see the overhaul, with this mental health epidemic spreading and getting worse, the safety, security, and overhaul we are looking for will take quite some time, as I still dont think we fully understand who we are dealing with. This new generation of students is posing quite a challenge, a reform would be stepping up to the plate, which I would support also.

Hannah

posted 3/26/08 @ 11:26 AM CST

People don't work in the apartment complex offices overnight, so they probably did not recieve the threat until this morning. Even still, I say kudos to the Emergency alert system, but I wish they had closed campus. I am not happy about having to choose between comprimising my grades and comprimising my safety.

Christopher

posted 3/26/08 @ 12:26 PM CST

Originally posted by

Hannah

People don't work in the apartment complex offices overnight, so they probably did not recieve the threat until this morning. Even still, I say kudos to the Emergency alert system, but I wish they had closed campus. I am not happy about having to choose between comprimising my grades and comprimising my safety.


Exactly. See my response above.

Chris

posted 3/26/08 @ 12:30 PM CST

While I did receive a text message and phone call, it was over half an hour after other people had received theirs. While I appreciate WIU putting the system into place, there is clearly a problem when time sensitive information takes over half an hour to be delivered.

burnside

posted 3/26/08 @ 12:36 PM CST

Let's check for security cameras around the drop box area and post the pics

Stephanie

posted 3/26/08 @ 12:51 PM CST

I too think that the entire campus should have been shut down, because it was a general threat, and we have no idea as to where it was said to take place, so they could not have shut down just one area of campus. I hate to miss class and worry about my grades, but my safety, and my life is much more important to me, so i feel that WIU is making us choose between two hard choices. Thus the same, I do appreciate the emergency alert system notifying me, but i wonder if the police were aware of it at 8:30am then why didn't i get a message until over an hour later? It's a good system, but it just needs to be a little more timely.

Amber

posted 3/26/08 @ 1:05 PM CST

I agree with everyone about the alert system. I didnt receive the call until 930 but i was home anyway sick! I usually have class at 8 am so that makes it a little scary that I would have been on campus during this time. I agree that the campus should have been shut down but we cant decide that for them......I am really tired of people trying to get attention and try to repeat history it is irriatating and sickening!

AngelD

posted 3/26/08 @ 1:40 PM CST

This is a tough situation...on the one hand, you have to take it seriously because if something did happen and they hadn't heads would roll, but on the other hand, you run the danger of playing right into the hands of the person who made the threat by running around like a bunch of chickens with your heads cut off while they sit back and laugh.

The problem is that you have to take it seriously, but by doing so, you just give the perpetrator the jollies he's looking for by getting everyone all keyed up, possibly shutting down classes and other things on campus, etc etc.

Why do you think there have been so many threats at local schools and now WIU in the past week or so? Why is this increasing across the country? Because the people doing this thing know that if they do, the admin of the school will take it seriously and possibly cancel classes and there will be a big uproar. And it's VERY difficult in most cases to find out who exactly is responsible.

I don't know what the solution is, but I know if it were me, I would be alert and cautious, of course, but I certainly wouldn't call into a campus job or skip classes or cancel classes as some professors have done. That's just giving the perpetrator the thrill he/she wants. The chances of someone actually writing a note to warn people of a shooting if they're serious about doing it before they do it is just not likely. Think back on the school and university shootings that have taken place...how many of them actually wrote a note warning people of it before they did it? None that I can think of off the top of my head. Yeah, they may have written something in a diary or whatever, but they didn't write a warning note and leave it in a bathroom stall or put it in a dropbox where news would get out before they did it. No, they just come storming into the place and start shooting with no warning beyond maybe the strange behavior they may have displayed over a period of time before. To be honest, students at WIU are probably more at risk for something happening like what happened at VT or NIU any "normal" day of the week than today because someone could at any time with absolutely no warning just burst into a lecture hall or the union or whatever and start shooting.

So my advice to everyone is to be alert and cautious, but don't get so worked up that it affects your daily routine...that's just giving this idiot what he/she wants. Of course the campus should beef up security after such a threat, but it seems like everyone's acting like there's an asteroid headed for the campus to obliterate it.

I just hope that they find out who this idiot is and if its a student, which from where the note was left it probably is, that they are prosecuted and expelled.

Mary

posted 3/26/08 @ 2:04 PM CST

I thought it odd too that students were able to go to classes..I guess I misunderstood what a lock down is.. I had an e-mail that the high school kids were not able to go outside but yet the WIU students are able to attend classes????????

Mandy

posted 3/26/08 @ 2:58 PM CST

The university is not in a lockdown. WIU students (and faculty) were given the option of not going to class today, but they were not in a lockdown.

As for the complaints about having to make the decision about missing class: if you decided not to go to class, your teachers will have to give you any material they covered today (which, I highly doubt very many covered much at all, as attendance would be so low it wouldn't be worth it). If you did have a teacher who lectured, I doubt that when you ask them for the notes that they're going to say, "No, you can't have them, you weren't in class."

And, I agree, Angel, that a day like this is probably much safer than a day with no threat at all. It's very scary, but we can't live our lives wondering when something is bad might happen.

curious

posted 3/26/08 @ 5:48 PM CST

The university learned of it at 8:30 and people were notified by 9:30. That's pretty good right there.
But we should be told of the contents of the letter. A desire by law enforcement to make sure they 'get the culprit' or 'suspect' should not trump the public's right to know.
Particularly when they're telling students, faculty and staff to make their own decision about whether or not to honor the dormitory's 'lock-down' prison lingo.

STUDENT

posted 3/26/08 @ 6:33 PM CST

Hello. I am a senior at WIU and I just read an article in the Tribune and articles online about what is going on and I saw where a student said that a lot of people are nervous about this. While I do believe that is true if you drove around campus today a lot of people and I mean a lot are outside drinking and partying. They are using this to their advantage to party. I am very dissappointed in the students on this campus. Things like this are not a joke and I think they need to grow up a little and realize that this is a serious matter and that a threat does not mean its an excuse to go drink and party.

Jase Ruel

posted 3/26/08 @ 7:00 PM CST

Vick,

I don't know why your daughter didn't receive the info. My roomie I were notified on our cell phones about 9:35 this morning about the threat and to log onto the university website for more information and that classes were essentially being cancelled.

i would look into that if I were you because the roomie and I were notified in plenty of time before 10:00 classes

Tech

posted 3/26/08 @ 9:31 PM CST

It may not be a 100% perfect system, but at least we have it. I am quite sure that the response will be analyzed by the University and any shortcomings will be addressed as this was the first "real world" employment of the alert system. Be thankful that the word got out as fast as it did and to as many outlets as possible. Whether you are in the "I want it right now" generation or the "I understand the real world" generation, I believe that overall it went fairly smooth.

AngelD

posted 3/27/08 @ 12:03 AM CST

If you think about the sheer number of phone calls, text messages, and emails that had to be sent out, plus the time it took for the info to get to the admin and then from admin to the people that are in charge of sending them out, the timeliness of the alerts were wonderful and probably the best you can ever expect. There's just no realistic way that anyone is ever going to get almost instantaneous alerts on something like this. As for those that might not have gotten the notification, make sure that you have your info updated with the proper authorities on campus, usually that is the reason that people fail to get notification on systems like this.

Student...I know what you're talking about and I myself was a bit disappointed when I saw this too. I couldn't believe the number of parties going on around campus during the times when I rarely see them as most students would be in class. If there WAS someone serious about shooting up the campus, they could just as easily driven or walked up Adams or one of the other streets where these get togethers were taking place and started shooting. But heck, that could be what the person who did it had in mind...a day off to screw around. I could understand not going to class if you're legitimately afraid because of the threat, but in that case, you would most likely be holed up in your dorm room or apartment if you're anywhere in the vicinity of the campus, not out drinking beer and playing baggo. I was in the gas station on the corner of Lafeyette and there was a college girl in there buying a case of beer at 1 this afternon. One of her friends came in and greeted her and laughed and said "What are you doing? You've been drinking since 11 this morning!" If you were so unconcerned that you could sit out in your yard and drink and play, then you should have been in class.

AngelD

posted 3/27/08 @ 12:07 AM CST

Just wanted to add because I am aware that some professors cancelled classes before anyone says "oh, but my classes were cancelled!"....for those that chose to use their cancelled class time to sit out and party...wouldn't this have been a great opportunity to catch up on homework or that paper or read those chapters you've gotten behind on or something along those lines? Even if you were unconcerned with the threat and thought what a nice day out it was, you could have done it outside or went to a park or something so the class time you missed wouldn't have been a total waste.

Cat

posted 3/27/08 @ 3:04 AM CST

I am disgusted with the way WIU went about this whole thing. They treated this thing as a joke and it should not have been. They say how good this emergency alert system is but why did it take over an hour to get the message out there. What was going on over that hour? They were trying to figure out on how to make themselves not liable with the situation. They put all the decision on the students so if there was a shooting they were in the clear. What about kids who had class at 9:00 and they had there cell phones turned off like students are supposed to then how would they be notified? By the sound of gun shots? Locking down the dorms and not closing down the academic buildings is just stupid. Over half the dorms need keys to go up to the floors anyways. Since this dumb school had made a joke out of this it is probaly going to piss off this sick person even more. I think classes should be cancelled for the rest of the week and the law enforcement that is just drivng around in the area should solve this case. At NIU there were shooting threats around the time of finals of the first semester this year and when everyone went home for break they chose to ignore it and looked what happened there. WIU is making a mockery of this situation and are looking to cover their own ass and they really do not care about the safety of us they were just talking about how good the emergency alert system is. Yes, it notified everyone but it took an hour. When they found out at 8:15 I think we all should have known by 8:25 at the latest. What is more important than the safety of all of us? Nothing, at all they wanted to decide if this was real or not and it took them over an hour. Who are they to decide if we should be in danger or not for this hour untill all of them can get to a meeting a decide what to do. This threat was not carried out but what would of happened if the 9:00 classes got shot up while all these people were sitting in the meeting wondering how to cover themselves. I guess you can say we got lucky that this sick fuck did not go through with it but I can guarntee that I will not be in class the rest of the week and I will NOT be attending this joke of a university next year because the staff here makes me SICK!!!!!

Tech

posted 3/27/08 @ 8:08 AM CST

Originally posted by

Cat

I am disgusted with the way WIU went about this whole thing. They treated this thing as a joke and it should not have been. They say how good this emergency alert system is but why did it take over an hour to get the message out there. What was going on over that hour? They were trying to figure out on how to make themselves not liable with the situation. They put all the decision on the students so if there was a shooting they were in the clear. What about kids who had class at 9:00 and they had there cell phones turned off like students are supposed to then how would they be notified? By the sound of gun shots? Locking down the dorms and not closing down the academic buildings is just stupid. Over half the dorms need keys to go up to the floors anyways. Since this dumb school had made a joke out of this it is probaly going to piss off this sick person even more. I think classes should be cancelled for the rest of the week and the law enforcement that is just drivng around in the area should solve this case. At NIU there were shooting threats around the time of finals of the first semester this year and when everyone went home for break they chose to ignore it and looked what happened there. WIU is making a mockery of this situation and are looking to cover their own ass and they really do not care about the safety of us they were just talking about how good the emergency alert system is. Yes, it notified everyone but it took an hour. When they found out at 8:15 I think we all should have known by 8:25 at the latest. What is more important than the safety of all of us? Nothing, at all they wanted to decide if this was real or not and it took them over an hour. Who are they to decide if we should be in danger or not for this hour untill all of them can get to a meeting a decide what to do. This threat was not carried out but what would of happened if the 9:00 classes got shot up while all these people were sitting in the meeting wondering how to cover themselves. I guess you can say we got lucky that this sick fuck did not go through with it but I can guarntee that I will not be in class the rest of the week and I will NOT be attending this joke of a university next year because the staff here makes me SICK!!!!!


Your post is completely baseless. You are making assumptions that you can not back up. If you want to live in fear that is your prerogative. Don't criticize the school because you can't stomach reality. Stay home. I will be in class today just like yesterday.

curious

posted 3/27/08 @ 11:12 AM CST

Cat, sorry you are not going to be with us. But, your post sounds like a childish temper tantrum.
WIU officials did not create this situation.
Yes, an hour's response time to a threat like this is actually pretty good, when you consider that it's the first time the university and the VARIOUS police agencies had to deal with a situation of an off'campus threat.
The ONLY criticism is the reluctance to release the note, but overall, I'd say the handling of the situation was as good as could be expected.
Here's hoping that people will be more understanding of any failures they see with your possible performance in a similar situation as the years go by, but I hope you never have to make such decisions yourself.
By the way, the staff here are some of the friendliest, the teachers some of the most caring you'll find anywhere.
Good luck with that.

Matt

posted 3/27/08 @ 12:59 PM CST

Cat, I'm curious if you actually have any suggestions to improve this situation. Why would canceling classes the rest of the week be a good thing? Why not the rest of the year? Hell, let's just shut down everything and we'll all spend the rest of our pathetic lives living in fear. While we're at it we can thank Cat for her/his constructive criticism in regards to a highly sensitive situation. To suggest they "treated this like a joke" is a bold, unfounded, arrogant statement. I hope you're the only WIU student acting like this. Macomb will be a better place once you're gone. Temper tantrum indeed.

Cat

posted 3/27/08 @ 1:38 PM CST

I think that cancelling classes the rest of the week would be a great idea. The person who wrote this note is a person who has a problem and is in need of attention. By not cancelling school and people still going to classes the day of the threat was treating this situation as a joke. If we shut down the campus for the remainder of the week it will give this individual the attention that he/her is trying to get. Having classes that same day and the day after just rubs in the kids face that were still not paying attention to you. So cancel the classes give this person attention and give them some time to cool down. Maybe an hour is a good time to let people know what is going on but why was the website chamged before the emergency alert system was activated. Having more law enforcement officals drive around campus what does that do? Its not like the shooter cant walk in any building on campus and do what he/she has to do while the police are in the car. Another thing is too that at noon yesterday was obviously all the police officers lunch break because there was about 25 police cars at subway. So when its time to eat we take all the officers off of patrol only 3 hours after the threat was out there? I had a friend in the classroom at NIU and thank God he was not shot when it happened but his classmates were and he told me that this is a situation that he could not even describe and would never wish upon anyone so I assume that this is a serious situation. I am also not saying cancel the rest of the year like some of you are making cheap jokes about with your terrible sarcasim but this is a serious situation and you guys should swallow your pride and treat this as a life or death situation. Tech relax too with being a hardass. If you think your tough because you ignore shooting threats then more power too you but your probaly not that tough your just a dork who takes school way too serious. Matt you are a real funny guy too. I am saying a joke is getting made out of this because of people like yourselff.

Tech

posted 3/27/08 @ 3:52 PM CST

Originally posted by

Cat

I think that cancelling classes the rest of the week would be a great idea. The person who wrote this note is a person who has a problem and is in need of attention. By not cancelling school and people still going to classes the day of the threat was treating this situation as a joke. If we shut down the campus for the remainder of the week it will give this individual the attention that he/her is trying to get. Having classes that same day and the day after just rubs in the kids face that were still not paying attention to you. So cancel the classes give this person attention and give them some time to cool down. Maybe an hour is a good time to let people know what is going on but why was the website chamged before the emergency alert system was activated. Having more law enforcement officals drive around campus what does that do? Its not like the shooter cant walk in any building on campus and do what he/she has to do while the police are in the car. Another thing is too that at noon yesterday was obviously all the police officers lunch break because there was about 25 police cars at subway. So when its time to eat we take all the officers off of patrol only 3 hours after the threat was out there? I had a friend in the classroom at NIU and thank God he was not shot when it happened but his classmates were and he told me that this is a situation that he could not even describe and would never wish upon anyone so I assume that this is a serious situation. I am also not saying cancel the rest of the year like some of you are making cheap jokes about with your terrible sarcasim but this is a serious situation and you guys should swallow your pride and treat this as a life or death situation. Tech relax too with being a hardass. If you think your tough because you ignore shooting threats then more power too you but your probaly not that tough your just a dork who takes school way too serious. Matt you are a real funny guy too. I am saying a joke is getting made out of this because of people like yourselff.


Actually, I am veteran that has been shot at a few times. I am not worried about a cowardly threat. As far as NIU, I had an old classmate from Mendota Class of '94 that DID die as a result of the shooting (you figure out who based on that). As I said before, you are in no position of making assumptions based on your jaded, selfish view of the situation. If you choose to fear, then you create your own reality. Good luck hiding from the world in your sheltered life.

"Better to have liberty fraught with danger than servitude in peace"
-Rousseu

Student

posted 3/27/08 @ 3:24 PM CST

By no means do I plan to live my life in fear. I also have no desire to condemn WIU or their notification system. My #1 issue with the entire situation, aside from the fact that it happened at all, is this: The Peoria Journal Star posted this story on their website at 8:41 am, while WIU's "Timely Warning" was posted on their page at 9:30 am.
I'm still trying to make sense of that time frame.

Vick

posted 3/27/08 @ 4:55 PM CST

Originally posted by

Student

By no means do I plan to live my life in fear. I also have no desire to condemn WIU or their notification system. My #1 issue with the entire situation, aside from the fact that it happened at all, is this: The Peoria Journal Star posted this story on their website at 8:41 am, while WIU's "Timely Warning" was posted on their page at 9:30 am.
I'm still trying to make sense of that time frame.


I am glad some of you students are seeing the time frame as questionable. I believe that the warning should have been sent immediately to students and faculty. 8:30 instead of 9:35. The president had already composed and posted a letter on the website at 9:30, shouldn't the alert have been first on the list? To those who think an hour later response was "pretty good", then how would you feel if something had happened in that hour between 8:30 and 9:35? Just how long does it take to shoot a gun? If I were a student at WIU, I believe I would be voicing my opinion to the president, so that they can work on letting the students know immediately that their lives could be in danger.

Timeliness

posted 3/27/08 @ 9:02 PM CST

For those of you complaining about the warning delivery and those of you just curious, watch the press conference and they explain how the system works. It is on the homepage for the school.

AngelD

posted 3/27/08 @ 10:08 PM CST

Next some of you will be wanting colleges to hire psychics so that the college can alert you before the threat even happens. Geesh, give me a break. There are steps that have to be taken before the alert can get out, like it or not. You wanted the alert at 8:30??? From my information the note wasn't even found and delivered to authorities until that time! No system is perfect and you guys whining should be damn thankful that they have it at all. Now my issue is from reading the Macomb Journal today that the warning system worked fine but that faculty and staff and students had no idea how to approach the situation after they received the warning. Should they continue class? Dismiss? Keep students in the room? Let them leave? Now THAT needs to be remedied.

From my info and understanding, the problem with the homepage wasn't that they didn't put something up in a timely manner, it was that the page was getting so many hits that it couldn't handle the traffic and when tech staff became aware of that problem, it was remedied and the president has talked of increasing bandwith on the system to help this in the future. (Funny, my husband works for WIU and has been telling them they need more bandwith for awhile because of various problems and has basically been ignored or told there's no money...funny how now after an emergency they suddenly have become enlightened to the need for it.)

No system anywhere is ever going to be absolutely perfect and this being the first time this has had to be used that wasn't a drill, I think it did pretty damn good and will continue to be improved upon.

As far as living in fear, no way. I'm a woman and I go for walks at night by myself at times and have all my adult life. Of course I don't walk through dark alleys and stay in well lit, populated areas, but I'd do that even if I were male. I don't take stupid risks and use common sense of course but I refuse to live in fear. Cat, if you don't think WIU did a good job with this, then fine, leave, there's plenty of people out there that will take your place and I'm sure that soon you'll see that there's no where you can go that is perfect and no where you can go that doesn't include some risk or danger. That's just life and you've gotta live it.

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